Comments on: HP Give It Large http://thestoragearchitect.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/ Storage, Virtualisation & Cloud Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:47:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Stephen http://thestoragearchitect.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-269 Stephen Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:13:00 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-269 Chris,<br/><br/>I don't know and I did not ask but it apparently made most of the financial institutions around Wall Street look positively low end. I know that it was all USP based and there were a few more of them than I have or have had so I would think PB of Tier one storage. Perhaps with that sort of money involved, USP probably equates to everyones WMS/AMS but no one cares.<br/><br/>Stephen Chris,

I don’t know and I did not ask but it apparently made most of the financial institutions around Wall Street look positively low end. I know that it was all USP based and there were a few more of them than I have or have had so I would think PB of Tier one storage. Perhaps with that sort of money involved, USP probably equates to everyones WMS/AMS but no one cares.

Stephen

]]> By: Chris M Evans http://thestoragearchitect.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-268 Chris M Evans Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:06:00 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-268 Stephen<br/><br/>How many arrays do you think your Brazil example has? It would be interesting to do a theoretical calculation on how much power they are wasting.... Stephen

How many arrays do you think your Brazil example has? It would be interesting to do a theoretical calculation on how much power they are wasting….

]]> By: Stephen http://thestoragearchitect.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-267 Stephen Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:49:00 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-267 I found this posting very interesting and would love to follow it up if only for the general discussion it raises. <br/><br/>Peak OIL and issues related to it is indeed going to make for some serious processing and capacity. Some of the storage vendors largest customers outside of the normal government and financial users are oil companies. One in Brazil has so many large enterprise arrays, its mind boggling. That also leads to other more complex and almost sinister (but necessary) needs for major processing systems which are directly related to lack of oil and global warming. I am talking about massive transactional systems right now that will keep growing. <br/><br/>At least I have another interesting blog to follow. I knew I got into storage for some reason or another... I found this posting very interesting and would love to follow it up if only for the general discussion it raises.

Peak OIL and issues related to it is indeed going to make for some serious processing and capacity. Some of the storage vendors largest customers outside of the normal government and financial users are oil companies. One in Brazil has so many large enterprise arrays, its mind boggling. That also leads to other more complex and almost sinister (but necessary) needs for major processing systems which are directly related to lack of oil and global warming. I am talking about massive transactional systems right now that will keep growing.

At least I have another interesting blog to follow. I knew I got into storage for some reason or another…

]]> By: Chris M Evans http://thestoragearchitect.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-266 Chris M Evans Sat, 31 May 2008 09:14:00 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-266 Carter, obviously your background qualifies you entirely to make the comments you have however, I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment; almost all of the data types you've quoted are data at rest for 90% of the time, so why does this justify a high capacity, high performance storage system where the disks are always spinning? Surely these classes of data require a new approach, which is partly there with systems like those from Copan.<br/><br/>So excluding the niche customers, we get back to the financial, manufacturing and all the other "traditional" businesses who have lots of unstructured, unmanaged data and will use this product as an unofficial archive. Carter, obviously your background qualifies you entirely to make the comments you have however, I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment; almost all of the data types you’ve quoted are data at rest for 90% of the time, so why does this justify a high capacity, high performance storage system where the disks are always spinning? Surely these classes of data require a new approach, which is partly there with systems like those from Copan.

So excluding the niche customers, we get back to the financial, manufacturing and all the other “traditional” businesses who have lots of unstructured, unmanaged data and will use this product as an unofficial archive.

]]> By: UrsaMajor http://thestoragearchitect.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-265 UrsaMajor Sat, 31 May 2008 01:40:00 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/hp-give-it-large/#comment-265 What's driving storage solutions like this is not employee-produced files - like MS Word docs that are two years old and should be deleted. It is the accumulation of two types of data, and classification and deletion won't help with either.<br/><br/>The first class is user-contributed data in Web sites - photo uploads, music, video, and email.<br/>For example, Shutterfly's marketing campaign is "preserve your memories". Yahoo has "unlimited free email space". Which memories do you think that they should delete? Which emails, after they promised to keep them forever?<br/><br/>The second class is things like seismic data. As the price of oil keeps going up, oil companies are bringing *back* data that they had deleted before. A 100 Terabytes of seismic data that was not that interesting when oil as $30 a barrel is awfully interesting when it is $130. There are lots of data accumulation examples like that, in healthcare, genomics and bioscience, and other scientific fields. Not only does the data not diminish in value over time, but the new files are bigger and bigger as new tools generate images, or readings or soundings with more resolution.<br/><br/>So, while it might make sense for the average medium business to go clean up their home directories, those files are nott what's driving Petabyte sized data centers.<br/><br/>Carter George<br/>www.storageoptimization.wordpress.com What’s driving storage solutions like this is not employee-produced files – like MS Word docs that are two years old and should be deleted. It is the accumulation of two types of data, and classification and deletion won’t help with either.

The first class is user-contributed data in Web sites – photo uploads, music, video, and email.
For example, Shutterfly’s marketing campaign is “preserve your memories”. Yahoo has “unlimited free email space”. Which memories do you think that they should delete? Which emails, after they promised to keep them forever?

The second class is things like seismic data. As the price of oil keeps going up, oil companies are bringing *back* data that they had deleted before. A 100 Terabytes of seismic data that was not that interesting when oil as $30 a barrel is awfully interesting when it is $130. There are lots of data accumulation examples like that, in healthcare, genomics and bioscience, and other scientific fields. Not only does the data not diminish in value over time, but the new files are bigger and bigger as new tools generate images, or readings or soundings with more resolution.

So, while it might make sense for the average medium business to go clean up their home directories, those files are nott what’s driving Petabyte sized data centers.

Carter George
http://www.storageoptimization.wordpress.com

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