Comments on: Enterprise Computing: Is EMC Storage Configuration Advisor A SANScreen Killer? http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/ Storage, Virtualisation & Cloud Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:09:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Onaro sanscreen | Michaelmiracle http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-3051 Onaro sanscreen | Michaelmiracle Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:16:22 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-3051 [...] Enterprise Computing: Is EMC Storage Configuration Advisor A …May 13, 2009 … SANScreen has been expanded to include some reporting but essentially the core product has remained the same since the Onaro days. … [...] [...] Enterprise Computing: Is EMC Storage Configuration Advisor A …May 13, 2009 … SANScreen has been expanded to include some reporting but essentially the core product has remained the same since the Onaro days. … [...]

]]> By: Larry http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-790 Larry Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:54:25 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-790 Aaron, How did your appraisal go? I doubt if SANScreen or iSCSI is going to be there in the market after a year or two from now. So better look for something new to add to your CV. Aaron,

How did your appraisal go? I doubt if SANScreen or iSCSI is going to be there in the market after a year or two from now. So better look for something new to add to your CV.

]]> By: Chris Evans http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-789 Chris Evans Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:30:31 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-789 Aaron, First of all, it's worth pointing out for the sake of disclosure that you are a technical account manager for Netapp and so have a vested interest in the answer to this question. So, yes I agree, hindsight is a beautiful thing. I'm happy to make predictions and be proved wrong, it's all part of the game. I have no view on the sales of EMC or Netapp products and I doubt neither company would be prepared to release figures. As for the FCoE/iSCSI debate, I don't see iSCSI getting any further into the Enterprise environment. It's still on low end storage arrays and not on serious enterprise equipment. FcoE is making slow inroads but it always will be slow, because of the amount of FC already deployed, but with the juggernaut of companies such as Cisco, it will become mainstream. It's almost the end of the year. Time for more predictions. Whether they're right or wrong, it's not going to stop me. Chris Aaron,

First of all, it’s worth pointing out for the sake of disclosure that you are a technical account manager for Netapp and so have a vested interest in the answer to this question.

So, yes I agree, hindsight is a beautiful thing. I’m happy to make predictions and be proved wrong, it’s all part of the game. I have no view on the sales of EMC or Netapp products and I doubt neither company would be prepared to release figures.

As for the FCoE/iSCSI debate, I don’t see iSCSI getting any further into the Enterprise environment. It’s still on low end storage arrays and not on serious enterprise equipment. FcoE is making slow inroads but it always will be slow, because of the amount of FC already deployed, but with the juggernaut of companies such as Cisco, it will become mainstream.

It’s almost the end of the year. Time for more predictions. Whether they’re right or wrong, it’s not going to stop me.

Chris

]]> By: Aaron Hill http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-788 Aaron Hill Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:54:20 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-788 Chris, can I get an update on your opinion now we are 18+ months down the track. I think recent history is showing that your opinion was completely and utterly wrong for SCA, SANScreen and Enterprise being only big iron. As for FCoE overtaking iSCSI. I am still holding my breath. I think you vastly overestimated the rate of change in that space. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, except for a future-casting blogger. ;) Chris,
can I get an update on your opinion now we are 18+ months down the track.

I think recent history is showing that your opinion was completely and utterly wrong for SCA, SANScreen and Enterprise being only big iron.

As for FCoE overtaking iSCSI. I am still holding my breath. I think you vastly overestimated the rate of change in that space.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, except for a future-casting blogger. ;)

]]> By: Chris Evans http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-782 Chris Evans Fri, 15 May 2009 09:57:12 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-782 Alex Far from it. However it's horses for courses. Enterprise arrays offer a higher degree of resiliency and availability. Typically FC LUNs have been used on enterprise, unsurprisingly because they're connected to the most expensive interconnect - fibre channel. Why use anything else if you just bought the Rolls Royce of storage hardware? iSCSI is a kludged protocol that Cisco/IBM developed to be "anything other than FC". It never made the big time and will now die a death as FCoE overtakes it. And NAS, well that's just for files. Alex

Far from it. However it’s horses for courses. Enterprise arrays offer a higher degree of resiliency and availability. Typically FC LUNs have been used on enterprise, unsurprisingly because they’re connected to the most expensive interconnect – fibre channel. Why use anything else if you just bought the Rolls Royce of storage hardware? iSCSI is a kludged protocol that Cisco/IBM developed to be “anything other than FC”. It never made the big time and will now die a death as FCoE overtakes it. And NAS, well that’s just for files.

]]> By: Alex McDonald http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-781 Alex McDonald Fri, 15 May 2009 08:51:43 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-781 Is it your assumption that FC LUNs are enterprise, and that iSCSI and NAS aren't? That's very narrow. Start with defining mid-range requirements, and I think you'd be surprised how quickly you run out of differentiators for enterprise. Perhaps monolithic and price might be the only qualifiers? Is it your assumption that FC LUNs are enterprise, and that iSCSI and NAS aren’t? That’s very narrow. Start with defining mid-range requirements, and I think you’d be surprised how quickly you run out of differentiators for enterprise. Perhaps monolithic and price might be the only qualifiers?

]]> By: Chris Evans http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-780 Chris Evans Thu, 14 May 2009 18:58:58 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-780 Alex, I did say "enterprise". I'd not class Celerra/Clariion etc as enterprise quality, so I'd be prepared to concede that filers could compete in this "midrange" market. Perhaps a good definition of enterprise and midrange is required. Chris Alex, I did say “enterprise”. I’d not class Celerra/Clariion etc as enterprise quality, so I’d be prepared to concede that filers could compete in this “midrange” market. Perhaps a good definition of enterprise and midrange is required.

Chris

]]> By: Alex McDonald http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-783 Alex McDonald Thu, 14 May 2009 13:54:19 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-783 And that differs from Celerra, CLARiiON, Centera, Atmos, even the V-Max? Are you suggesting that none of them is any different from my laptop because their just x86 PCs running Unix/Windows/some old crufty OS from Data General? You'll be singing the praises of BlueArc next, given that it's based on magical FPGAs! And that differs from Celerra, CLARiiON, Centera, Atmos, even the V-Max? Are you suggesting that none of them is any different from my laptop because their just x86 PCs running Unix/Windows/some old crufty OS from Data General?

You’ll be singing the praises of BlueArc next, given that it’s based on magical FPGAs!

]]> By: Chris Evans http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-787 Chris Evans Thu, 14 May 2009 06:20:52 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-787 Kostadis, I assume you mean that Netapp isn't in the enterprise storage array market. OK, I'll concede that Netapp filers support FC LUNs, however as they're effectively PCs running Unix, then they're more the modular than enterprise market. It's a bit like using a DMX-4 for iSCSI - you could, but you just wouldn't... Kostadis, I assume you mean that Netapp isn’t in the enterprise storage array market.

OK, I’ll concede that Netapp filers support FC LUNs, however as they’re effectively PCs running Unix, then they’re more the modular than enterprise market. It’s a bit like using a DMX-4 for iSCSI – you could, but you just wouldn’t…

]]> By: kostadis roussos http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/05/13/enterprise-computing-is-emc-storage-configuration-advisor-a-sanscreen-killer/#comment-786 kostadis roussos Wed, 13 May 2009 22:37:28 +0000 http://thestoragearchitect.com/?p=550#comment-786 > SANScreen plays in the market that Netapp isn’t – enterprise storage arrays. This is the second factual error. > SANScreen plays in the market that Netapp isn’t – enterprise storage arrays.

This is the second factual error.

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