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	<title>Comments on: Enterprise Computing: Is the Solid State Drive Hype Over?</title>
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		<title>By: Dell Allegedly Bid for Fusion-IO &#124; The Storage Architect</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-3568</link>
		<dc:creator>Dell Allegedly Bid for Fusion-IO &#124; The Storage Architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 16:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] STEC?  They rode high on the back of the SSD boom until their major supplier, EMC, decided they had a stockpile and didn&#8217;t need to keep on buying.  Fusion-IO revenue for Q4 is anticpated to be flat. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] STEC?  They rode high on the back of the SSD boom until their major supplier, EMC, decided they had a stockpile and didn&#8217;t need to keep on buying.  Fusion-IO revenue for Q4 is anticpated to be flat. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Storage Architect &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Enterprise Computing: The Slow Demise of The Hard Drive</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-1073</link>
		<dc:creator>The Storage Architect &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Enterprise Computing: The Slow Demise of The Hard Drive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hard drive isn&#8217;t going anywhere overnight (witness the crash of STEC shares and EMC&#8217;s EFD stockpile), however storage technology is changing as we move [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hard drive isn&#8217;t going anywhere overnight (witness the crash of STEC shares and EMC&#8217;s EFD stockpile), however storage technology is changing as we move [...]</p>
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		<title>By: signoretti</title>
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		<dc:creator>signoretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oscar ... Il Divo (MPI Media Group through Music Box) Aldo Signoretti and Vittorio Sodano ...The Storage Architect Blog Archive Enterprise Computing ...Storage and Virtualisation ... Name (required) Mail (will not be published) (required) Website. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Cinetica Blog &#187; EMC and Acadia: Vmware has something to lose!</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinetica Blog &#187; EMC and Acadia: Vmware has something to lose!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SSDs manufacturer) aren&#8217;t very good and raised comments by many bloggers (i.e.: here and here) about adoption of SSD technology. EMC is the most important customer for STEC and was the first [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] SSDs manufacturer) aren&#8217;t very good and raised comments by many bloggers (i.e.: here and here) about adoption of SSD technology. EMC is the most important customer for STEC and was the first [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

My last portion of my last sentence in my previous comment should have read, &quot;lower disk utilization and lower overall costs for the disk array.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>My last portion of my last sentence in my previous comment should have read, &#8220;lower disk utilization and lower overall costs for the disk array.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Your comment that &quot;many customers are struggling to identify use cases for solid state drives and have no easy way to measure and justify the potential performance improvements – other than to install the drives and see what happens.&quot;   This is not true.   Granted, I believe customers are struggling with how to quantify and measure the benefits before they purchase and install these drives, but the methods do exist.

As a performance engineer at EMC, we have been taking a scientific approach to helping the customers to understand what volumes are showing up as good candidates from array statistics, correlating those volumes with application/database data to make sure the match will produce an application improvement.  We even go so far as to model the performance and showing lower utilization on the spinning disk drives.   This does not mean that the process is somewhat involved.  It does require some cooperation and effort on the part of the customer.   It also requires that customers examine their application/database data to do the correlation part.   But the process works and it has been demonstrated at several customer sites to improve performance, lower drive utilization and drive overall disk array solution costs oveall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Your comment that &#8220;many customers are struggling to identify use cases for solid state drives and have no easy way to measure and justify the potential performance improvements – other than to install the drives and see what happens.&#8221;   This is not true.   Granted, I believe customers are struggling with how to quantify and measure the benefits before they purchase and install these drives, but the methods do exist.</p>
<p>As a performance engineer at EMC, we have been taking a scientific approach to helping the customers to understand what volumes are showing up as good candidates from array statistics, correlating those volumes with application/database data to make sure the match will produce an application improvement.  We even go so far as to model the performance and showing lower utilization on the spinning disk drives.   This does not mean that the process is somewhat involved.  It does require some cooperation and effort on the part of the customer.   It also requires that customers examine their application/database data to do the correlation part.   But the process works and it has been demonstrated at several customer sites to improve performance, lower drive utilization and drive overall disk array solution costs oveall.</p>
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		<title>By: John Templeton</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>John Templeton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Competition always enters new markets where money can be made.  Unfortunately, however, not all competitors products are equal.  There is a lot of room for marketing nonsense around SSD reliability and performance.  Reality is that flash is a media, and all media has warts.  How you manage those warts is key in managing drive useful life.  If you do not own the fundamental technology (the SSD controller in this case) you will never be able to make a drive that performs consistently and reliably in the Enterprise.  This controller technology is in very few hands, and as such, will become the differentiator among products and competitors.  Only two companies today are building drives using their own controller IP.  The industry will only see the value of this IP four or five years after the system is deployed and once the media starts to degrade significantly.  Eventually SSD&#039;s will be mandatory in most Enterprise appliances simply due to the performance gains they bring.  If an SSD were at cost parity with HDD&#039;s today, the argument would already be over.  Until then, it will be open season on outlandish claims and specmanship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Competition always enters new markets where money can be made.  Unfortunately, however, not all competitors products are equal.  There is a lot of room for marketing nonsense around SSD reliability and performance.  Reality is that flash is a media, and all media has warts.  How you manage those warts is key in managing drive useful life.  If you do not own the fundamental technology (the SSD controller in this case) you will never be able to make a drive that performs consistently and reliably in the Enterprise.  This controller technology is in very few hands, and as such, will become the differentiator among products and competitors.  Only two companies today are building drives using their own controller IP.  The industry will only see the value of this IP four or five years after the system is deployed and once the media starts to degrade significantly.  Eventually SSD&#8217;s will be mandatory in most Enterprise appliances simply due to the performance gains they bring.  If an SSD were at cost parity with HDD&#8217;s today, the argument would already be over.  Until then, it will be open season on outlandish claims and specmanship.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinetica Blog &#187; EMC e Acadia: ci rimette VMware.</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinetica Blog &#187; EMC e Acadia: ci rimette VMware.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SSD) non sono molto buone e hano scatenato tutta una serie di commenti nei blog (esempi: qui e qui ) sull&#8217;adozione della tecnologia SSD. EMC è il cliente più importante per STEC ed è stata [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] SSD) non sono molto buone e hano scatenato tutta una serie di commenti nei blog (esempi: qui e qui ) sull&#8217;adozione della tecnologia SSD. EMC è il cliente più importante per STEC ed è stata [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Steege</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Steege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We started shipping in September.  As you know, it takes a while to get from there to our customers shipping revenue systems.  No dates yet. Don&#039;t have specs to share today, but stay tuned. It won&#039;t be too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We started shipping in September.  As you know, it takes a while to get from there to our customers shipping revenue systems.  No dates yet. Don&#8217;t have specs to share today, but stay tuned. It won&#8217;t be too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Evans</title>
		<link>http://thestoragearchitect.com/2009/11/05/enterprise-computing-is-the-solid-state-drive-hype-over/#comment-1066</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enrico,

I think for Compellent the next piece of evolution is to reduce the re-org interval to less than a day and make things more policy based.  Hoping to get my hands on some hardware soon to write a proper review.

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enrico,</p>
<p>I think for Compellent the next piece of evolution is to reduce the re-org interval to less than a day and make things more policy based.  Hoping to get my hands on some hardware soon to write a proper review.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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